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I am never under pressure to support the work of extremely affluent white male artists who are collected by the affluent white male people who run the museum. I wish I had that struggle, because then I could really test myself against what that might feel like. That pushback comes in many forms. Everything that happens in museums is Is there any real women in Moca microcosm of what happens in the world. I have been told: Do I have to look at everything through the lens of identity politics?

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